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QUESTION |
DARREN CHURCHILL |
LIN HATFIELD-DODDS |
DAVID MATTHEWS |
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Q1 Bipartisan Approach
Drug
policy debates in the past have been punctuated by parties accusing others
of being soft on drugs or of wanting to legalise drugs.
As a result there has been little if any progress in effectively
dealing with the many and varied problems relating to illicit drugs.
Would
you, if elected, encourage support and cooperation in a bipartisan
approach that avoided slogans and used best evidence to create more
effective drug policies? If
so, how?
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supports a bipartisan approach and believes that
a national summit would be the best approach – a summit which drew upon
best practice overseas and where outcomes of the summit were implemented. |
fully supports a bipartisan approach which has
been reflected in her past experience with ACOSS. She supports evidence
based policies, which need to be continuously evaluated, as compared to
dodgy policies. She felt that people with real life experience needed to
be in parliament. If the Greens achieved balance of power they would seek
an Australian drug policy institution – an investment for the community
that looked at all drugs, not just illegal drugs. The Greens would also
seek a ban on donations to parties by lobby groups such as the tobacco
industry and the alcohol industry. |
supports a bipartisan approach which he believes
is an issue to be embraced and expressed disappointment that the Liberal
party was not represented at the forum. What was needed he felt was an
independent, depoliticised approach that was supported by research and
evidence – an approach that was non-moralistic. |
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Q2 Mental Health & Drug and
Alcohol Services
The
Senate Select Committee on Mental Health stated that “Governments appear
to have difficulty engaging with the realities of dual diagnosis”. This
is reflected in the declaration in the National Mental Health Plan that
states “drug and alcohol problems are primarily the responsibility of
the drug and alcohol service system” The evidence before that senate
committee clearly indicated that it is counterproductive to separate out
mental health and drug and alcohol services in such a definite way.
How
do you see these issues being resolved and what part would your party
play?
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advised the audience that it was not uncommon
for people with a mental health problem to self medicate, whether that be
prescription drugs or illegal drugs. For him it all related to the whole
person. He also drew a distinction between non-problematic use and
problematic use.
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in respect of co morbidity, said that
governments and bureaucracies needed to think and act in cleverer and more
appropriate ways. They needed to think of drug use as a health problem and
she did not believe a person should be jailed for personal use.
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believes a government cannot have good policy if
it relates to only one aspect. What was required he believes is an
holistic and evidence based approach
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Q3 Law enforcement or health
issue
Problematic
drug use occurs with both legal and illegal drugs yet one is treated as a
health problem and dealt with accordingly and the other is dealt with by
the criminal justice system. For example problematic use of
pharmaceuticals might be dealt with by a doctor, reduction in tobacco use
achieved by different forms of regulation including education and
restriction on advertising. Whereas personal use of illegal drugs can
result in arrest and a criminal record.
Would
you take a different approach and what would you do?
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believes that treating legal and illegal drugs
differently is hypocritical. He felt that the method of dealing with drugs
should be related to the amount of harm that they cause. He supports the
introduction of a needle and syringe program in prison and the
introduction of a SCON type system nationally |
was of the view that more harm can come from the
criminal justice system and outlined the relevant sections of the Greens
policy in respect of drugs (specifically sections 27 – 29) which related
to a tailored sanctions approach, increased diversion and while they did
not support legalisation they did support decriminalisation. They also
supported the use of cannabis for medical use.
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believes drug use is a health issue not a
criminal justice issue. He would like to see drug courts expanded
throughout Australia. He would separate out personal use from the criminal
law. He said the Gillard government was committed to the UN conventions
that Australia had agreed to which specify a range of criminal offences
and that there would be no change to that undertaking. However he would
like to be able to keep people out of prison. |
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Q4 Productivity Commission and
Australian Crime Commission
The
value of the world’s illicit drug trade was estimated in 2003 to be
US$321 billion. That trade
contributes to the profits of organised crime, terrorism and corruption on
a large scale.
Locally
it costs Australian governments $3.2 billion for administration of its
drug policies and a further $3.3
billion to Australian industry. The cost in human terms to families is
immeasurable. Illicit drugs are also implicated in many of the
country’s most intractable social problems – crime, homelessness,
poverty, mental illness, child neglect, family breakdown, blood borne
diseases. Governments
incur huge budgetary costs
in dealing with these problems.
What
do you believe can be done to reduce the huge profits in the illegal trade
and to reduce the financial and human costs. And what role do you think
the Productivity Commission and/or the Australian Crime Commission might
play in evaluating the costs and effectiveness of current drug policies?
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said that prohibition does not work and that
four decades of prohibition should have made a difference but it has not.
Where there may have been success for one drug people have switched to
other drugs thus continuing the cycle. He referred to the useful reports
by the PC and the ACC and stressed that a body should be established that
was fully independent and that would take the bias out of drug policy |
said that using any leverage such as using the
PC and the ACC would be useful. She also felt that foreign aid could be
used to reduce the drug problem for example those countries that were
dependent on drug production could be supported by foreign aid to increase
education and jobs. The social drivers for poor countries that are
involved in the drug trade need to be determined. |
said he was open to suggestions because he was
unsure of the role that either body would have. He was however of the view
that harm reduction strategies work – a focus on harm reduction and
demand reduction would reduce the black market |
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Q5 Harm Minimisation Expenditure
All
major parties, state and federal, have supported harm minimisation, which
comprises the three components of supply reduction, demand reduction and
harm reduction. The third arm, harm reduction comprises mainly health
responses such as rehabilitation, counseling, substitution therapies,
needle and syringe programs and medically supervised injecting rooms.
Research shows that every dollar spent on harm reduction is up to seven
times more effective than a dollar spent on supply reduction. Currently 75
percent of illegal drugs expenditure by Australian governments is on
supply reduction.
How
much of each $100 spent on implementing harm minimisation do you believe
should be spent on each of the three components?
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stated that the expenditure should be reversed
so that 75% was spent on harm reduction |
stated that the Greens had no position on the
expenditure but would reverse the trend of 75% expenditure on supply
reduction |
stated that harm reduction was the best outcome
and the Gillard government was doing this. He queried the claim in the
question that 75% of illegal drug expenditure by Australian governments
was correct. . [The source was the Moore, T.
(2005). Bulletin No. 2: Australian government spending estimates.
DPMP Bulletin series. Fitzroy: Turning Point Alcohol and Drug Centre.] |
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QUESTION |
DARREN CHURCHILL |
LIN HATFIELD-DODDS |
DAVID MATTHEWS |
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How to influence other parties
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Minor parties can have an influence by working
with others so that all sides work together.
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The Greens have a policy on this and she has had
10 years experience working on relationships. There are tools in
parliament to do this such as the committee system. An important aspect to
building relationships is to bring along personal stories. Building
consensus can be achieved with cross-bench support. |
There are ALP forums at which robust debate is
engaged. He saw that lobbying caucus, highlighting the evidence was
important. He claimed to be an inclusive and collaborative person. He
noted also that there are some in the party that are socially aware at the
national and the local level |
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Local people working out local
solutions
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Believes that the ACT is mature enough in
self-government and should be able to govern itself without oversight by
the federal government |
The Greens have a policy of removing the veto
powers of legislation by the federal government for laws enacted in the
ACT. |
The ACT suffers locally because of the federal
government’s oversight and control. For example the veto powers should
be removed and he noted that the ACT is under represented in the federal
parliament and that representation should be increased. |
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Decriminalisation vs regulated
supply – drug market remains |
Decriminalisation would be the first step, then
would come supply control by regulation. He emphasised that it was a
health issue |
Harm minimisation needs to deal with all the
factors |
Supply control is irrelevant; it is how you
treat people. However to just counsel people is patronising |
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Portugal has decriminalised drug
use but neither major party has looked at that country’s policy
Dr Corry in Ireland has made
progress by focusing on the person |
The study from Portugal should be on the table
and actively discussed |
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Australia is xenophobic on overseas progress –
it is very reluctant to take experiences from overseas and trial them
here. He is open to suggestions about how we might do that.
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Each drug selected to be
prohibited relates to its addictive qualities, no change will occur until
the drugs are legalised and regulated |
Supports decriminalisation and supports trials
of medical use of currently illicit drugs. It is important to take control
out of the hands of the Mr Bigs. If the issue is so important then why is
it left to the Mr Bigs to control it? |
The Greens have a policy of decriminalisation
but not to legalise |
The ALP would make no change to the laws. At a
personal level he would work to make changes over time |
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Alcohol is responsible for the
greater harm – when will you prosecute places like Jim Murphy? |
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Legal drugs cause the most harm but the Gillard
government has moved to reduce the harm from tobacco by introducing plain
paper wrapping |
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Referring the drugs issue to the
Productivity Commission is a good idea. Road safety has been significantly
improved by examining all the relevant factors and acting on the findings |
For the most part Australia only listens to the
USA and ignores outcomes from many other countries |
It is possible for the Greens to develop terms
of reference for a PC inquiry which should also look to overseas
experience despite our track record of not looking to non-English speaking
countries |
Would support any mechanism to influence debate
and policy. He was reminded that the war on drugs rhetoric was similar to
a naive statement from George W Bush who said in respect of AIDS in Africa
that they should just not do it (have sex). |
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One cannot decriminalise
dangerous drugs but can medicalise them
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Most designer drugs are a by-product of normal
drug manufacturer. Would support medical use of such drugs |
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There is a danger in saying one drug is more
dangerous than another. Gave an example of cannabis a so-called less
dangerous drug which can cause schizophrenia and psychosis. |
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FFDLR has had a paper proposing
referral of drugs to the Productivity Commission but this has fallen on
deaf ears and when elections come around one party or another plays the
trump card |
SA where the Democrats originated is a
progressive state. If there was to be a summit one should keep the
politics out of it and ensure the summit outcomes and recommendations are
acted upon. |
Acknowledged that drug policy was hard but a
drug summit would be useful. It is hard to make a courageous stand and to
reform social and economic policy. Governments could do better if the fear
was lost |
What is needed is an open and informed and
sensible debate. |
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It is clear from today that more
forums like this are needed. Talk today has been about doing something for
drug users or doing something to them but there has not been much
recognition of the harm caused by the policy. If such policies that cause
so much harm and so many deaths are not reviewed then the responsibility
for those deaths must fall to the politicians. |
Currently we do not look at the externality of
the policies ie the unintended consequences, but we must do that. |
The personal stories are important and need to
be fed into the policy making process. But it is a question of what can
realistically be achieved. The Greens drug policy must be considered as
the first tranche of drug policy reform.
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Having the best policy means having good
evidence to support it and to measure its outcomes over time |
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The shock-jocks have a great
influence on politicians. The opposition to the medically supervised
injecting centre in Kings Cross is an example. But from experience before
and after shows the improvement in amenity of the area. |
With such people one must take a stand and be
strong in that stand |
It is a skill to be able to deal effectively
with the shock-jocks |
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